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Braindead's Mordor Site - Return to Mordor: The Depths Of Dejenol _ Mordor Challenges _ Plurals challenge

Posted by: Grog Nov 14 2009, 08:25 AM

Many monsters appear one-at-a-time.

But what if by some chance a room contained more than one? How would they be listed?

For example, a room may contain one I’ssus. But another room may contain two. Then you would be staring down two I’ssumi.

Here are some one-at-a-time monsters. What are their plurals?

Angel of Death
Asteryex
Beechi
Cockatrice
Cyclops
Elf
Hiksae
Hooded Thief
Jubilex
Mother of Serpents
Phoenix
Que’ssus
Reaper of Souls
Asmodeus

(Bests answers withins a few weeks wins’s).

Posted by: Danjen Nov 14 2009, 08:32 AM

Angels of Death
Asteryexes
Beechis
Cockatrices
Cyclops
Elves
Hiksae
Hooded Thieves
Jubilexes
Mothers of Serpents
Phoenixes
Que’ssumi
Reapers of Souls
Asmodeus (it's a proper noun)

Do I win?

Posted by: TimothyXL Nov 14 2009, 11:11 AM

I'd say exactly the same as Danjen, except: Asmodeus, Asmodei; though it's just my limited knowledge of Latin.

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 14 2009, 11:55 AM

I'm afraid the following:

Beechi
Cockatrice
Cyclops
Elf
Hiksae
Que’ssus

all do actually appear in groups in-game.

Posted by: Grog Nov 14 2009, 03:36 PM

^I know, I threw a few of those in for fun.

Posted by: Malikat Nov 14 2009, 08:46 PM

I just want to add "Cockatrio"

Posted by: Grog Nov 15 2009, 02:47 AM

Now that's the kind of discussion I'm looking for!

I'd say Danjen is pretty right-on. But I have seen a different plural for the Phoenix.

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 15 2009, 07:35 AM

I could actually tell you straight from the source how they'd be pluralized...

Posted by: Grog Nov 15 2009, 05:54 PM

Cool! There are no rules here. And I would really like to know.

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 15 2009, 07:14 PM

The known ones:

Beechis
Cockatrices
Cyclops
Elves
Hiksae
Que’ssumi

And the theoretical:

Angel of Deaths
Asteryexs
Hooded Thieves
Jubilex
Mother of Serpents
Phoenixs
Reaper of Souls
Asmodeus

Posted by: Danjen Nov 15 2009, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (Nudibranch @ Nov 15 2009, 02:14 PM) *
And the theoretical:

Angel of Deaths
Asteryexs
Hooded Thieves
Jubilex
Mother of Serpents
Phoenixs
Reaper of Souls
Asmodeus
You're pluraling some of them in the wrong place. Angel of Death for example, would be Angels of Death, and not Angel of Deaths. This is because Death is acting as an adjective and is describing the noun, Angel. It's the same rule for pluraling mother-in-law to mothers-in-law.

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 15 2009, 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Danjen @ Nov 15 2009, 03:41 PM) *
You're pluraling some of them in the wrong place. Angel of Death for example, would be Angels of Death, and not Angel of Deaths. This is because Death is acting as an adjective and is describing the noun, Angel. It's the same rule for pluraling mother-in-law to mothers-in-law.


Right, I'm just listing how the game would pluralize them, based on what's in the source. For instance, it thinks that Jubilex is already plural but not Asteryex, and it'll never add an s to something that already ends in s. It also knows to turn anything that ends in "ief" into "ieves". But it has no knowledge of what to do with "x of y", so it adds an s to "Death", but not to "Souls".

Edit: And, in fact, just now I saw 3 Spooks misidentified as 3 "Minion of Deaths".

Posted by: Direnar Nov 19 2009, 02:01 PM

For sure we can't take what the game gives us.

I think Danjen got em all straight except for Cyclopes (1 cyclops, 2 cyclopes? anyone? ow don't hit me)
And asmodeus -> asmodei that one i'm 100% sure about.

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 19 2009, 06:29 PM

Phoenices! think.gif

Posted by: TimothyXL Nov 19 2009, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (Nudibranch @ Nov 19 2009, 07:29 PM) *
Phoenices! think.gif


Phoenix: Noun.

Plural: Phoenix/Phoenixes.

Thank you, Wiktionary.

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 19 2009, 10:09 PM

I trust Wiktionary as an authority even less than Wikipedia, and I'm a regular contributor to both. That said, more reputable dictionaries also give the English plural of phoenix as either "phoenix" or "phoenixes".

But, I note that Wiktionary gives the Latin plural as "phoenices"... so if we're going to go with Asmodei (which in actual Latin should probably be Asmodaei), then I want me some phoenices! tongue.gif

Posted by: Malikat Nov 20 2009, 03:28 AM

in actual latin, the ending "a" becomes "ae" as plural, and "us" becomes "i" - "deus" becomes "dei." aei is just excessive.

Posted by: Danjen Nov 20 2009, 03:33 AM

Excessive? Don't even get me started on words like Phthisis (pronounced tie-sis).

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 20 2009, 11:48 PM

QUOTE (Malikat @ Nov 19 2009, 10:28 PM) *
in actual latin, the ending "a" becomes "ae" as plural, and "us" becomes "i" - "deus" becomes "dei." aei is just excessive.


But Asmodeus in Latin is spelled Asmodaeus. So the Latin plural of Asmodaeus would be Asmodaei. Take it up with Hadrian and his large collider.

Posted by: grobblewobble Nov 21 2009, 02:53 PM

The plural of Asmodeus? But Asmodeus is unique, so how could he have a plural form? It's a trick question! ph34r.gif

Does anyone a clue what the heck an asteryex actually is, by the way?

Posted by: TimothyXL Nov 21 2009, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (grobblewobble @ Nov 21 2009, 03:53 PM) *
The plural of Asmodeus? But Asmodeus is unique, so how could he have a plural form? It's a trick question! ph34r.gif

Does anyone a clue what the heck an asteryex actually is, by the way?


A normal sized undead, which is generally neutral in nature. It looks like a slime, so I think it's like a really badly decomposed corpse resurrected through foul magicks.

Posted by: aardless Nov 22 2009, 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Nudibranch @ Nov 19 2009, 11:09 PM) *
But, I note that Wiktionary gives the Latin plural as "phoenices"... so if we're going to go with Asmodei (which in actual Latin should probably be Asmodaei), then I want me some phoenices! tongue.gif
The latin entry on wikipedia lists his name as Asmodeus. The english entry calls Asmodaeus a variation, not sure what to make of it, but I've never seen it spelled anything other than Asmodeus (not that I am an authority on Latin or anything tongue.gif )

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 23 2009, 12:32 AM

QUOTE (aardless @ Nov 22 2009, 07:09 AM) *
The latin entry on wikipedia lists his name as Asmodeus. The english entry calls Asmodaeus a variation, not sure what to make of it, but I've never seen it spelled anything other than Asmodeus (not that I am an authority on Latin or anything tongue.gif )


Every dictionary I've seen gives its etymology as "from Latin Asmodaeus... from Greek... from Hebrew... from <ur-language>".

Perhaps we could debate how to pluralize the Hebrew. laugh.gif

Posted by: TimothyXL Nov 23 2009, 03:24 PM

QUOTE (Nudibranch @ Nov 23 2009, 01:32 AM) *
Every dictionary I've seen gives its etymology as "from Latin Asmodaeus... from Greek... from Hebrew... from <ur-language>".

Perhaps we could debate how to pluralize the Hebrew. laugh.gif


sneaky.gif

Male plurals add -im, Female plurals (ening in -a, -at, or -et) drop the ending syllable and add -ot, replacing any "e" in the preceding syllable with "a", and plurals ending in -ut or -it become -ujot or -ujit respectively.

Posted by: Nudibranch Nov 24 2009, 02:57 AM

That would probably mean one of Ashmedaim, Ashmedayim, or Ashmedhaim.

So to relate it back to the game's "Asmodeus", I'm gonna go with "Asmodeyim". And they're a bunch of bloody shkotzim, I tell ya. happy.gif

Posted by: Grog Nov 25 2009, 08:41 PM

"...Does anyone a clue what the heck an asteryex actually is, by the way?"

"... it's like a really badly decomposed corpse resurrected through foul magicks."

Wow, no wonder Roger Maris doesn't want one by his name in the record books.






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