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fischsemmel
post Sep 24 2019, 04:16 PM
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Haha, I'm not sure. It's not likely to happen any time soon, if at all. But 110-ish scav levels is only a few million exp, and with teleport and consumables and nukes he could go through those very quickly if I do get to that point. I did eventually do it with my solo osirri, but he WAS a solo.
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post Sep 26 2019, 02:05 AM
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Well, my some concerns about levels of healer for my osirri have been laid to rest; I found a cap of death! It's not a good panic button for stuff like random mythicals or minions of death that I see somewhat commonly, but it will be GREAT for gargantuans and golden eagles in the near-ish future.

As before, I'm just working on warrior and seeker levels. I really, really move through 11-13 with ease now. Monster quests go quickly since I have enough seeker levels to just zip around the dungeon now when looking for something... although this really only means lots of ethereal portal to save myself a bit of time, and some very "safe" displacements (so always 0,X), and some 0,0,-3 teleports from a location I know is safe on any dungeon level to speed my return trip.

It will likely be like 2 weeks before I get up to 300 warrior or seeker between some reduced playtime in general plus some RL stuff coming up that'll keep me from playing for a couple days at a time. But it'll be a glorious day when I get up there and can finally start checking out dungeon level 14!
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post Sep 27 2019, 01:19 PM
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Ugh. My osirri got quested for a nalanea in the seeker guild. I've seen two, but didn't get either into confinement for one reason or another. I considered forfeitting when I saw that... but I really don't want to lose 9 seeker levels. So I'm working on healer some more while I keep checking 8-12 indigini rooms in addition to my usual shenanigans on 12-13.

I'm not going to complain, since I really did want more healer levels on him but didn't want to spend the time on it until after I buffed up his combat numbers, but hopefully I find a nalanea sooner rather than later or else my warriors being 300 and my seeker still only being 200 is going to drive me nuts.


Edit - Oi. Computers are dropping like flies for me lately. In the last few months, I've apparently killed all 3 of the laptops I owned (and my PC's PSU might be on the fritz... seems to be not giving the PSU post code any more after a thorough cleaning but I've got a new one in a box here now if I need it!), all of which I had been using to play Mordor. I know someone with the equipment to hook up to my most recent laptop's HDD so I can try to salvage my save file off of there (I have a backup on a flash drive but I think it's from 3 days ago, so I won't use that unless I have to). Looks like I might finally be out of computers that can play Mordor without dosbox or virtual whatnot!

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post Sep 27 2019, 09:15 PM
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I just encountered a NaLanea last night. It was in the stud room in the southeast corner of 9. But I'm running a mod that fixes Indigini spawning problems, so YMMV. I found a Blue Slime in the next room and grabbed them both for confinement!
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post Sep 28 2019, 07:51 PM
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Also just saw a NaLanea today, with shadow wolf companions, in the anti-magic room in the northwest of 12. But yeah, I'm also running the T'Mana / Dragon Turtle patch.


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post Sep 30 2019, 07:09 PM
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Sigh.

So I pulled my hard drive out of my dead laptop I had been playing on, and I salvaged my saves with a hd reader tool. And I got my newest (still old) laptop that's on windows 10 64-bit working, and installed virtual box and got XP working in it, and I have my save working... but without sound. I put the "required files" in the right spots and don't have copies of them in the mordor directory but still no sound sad.gif

The midi and wav files play in XP with media player, but I have no sound in the mordor install.


Err... or not, I guess. This time when I started it up, it's working. Yay I guess? laugh.gif


Errrrrrrr... I have no clue. After the first midi song finished, a new one isn't starting, but I still am hearing all the wave files for monsters and ambient dungeon noises. And then when I returned to town, it was playing, and when I started into the dungeon again it was playing and continuing with new songs. Oi. Dang thing runs like piss on this XP virtual box though compared to the native xp and vista on my older laptops that died on me sad.gif sad.gif

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post Oct 1 2019, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE (fischsemmel @ Sep 30 2019, 01:09 PM) *
Errrrrrrr... I have no clue. After the first midi song finished, a new one isn't starting, but I still am hearing all the wave files for monsters and ambient dungeon noises. And then when I returned to town, it was playing, and when I started into the dungeon again it was playing and continuing with new songs. Oi. Dang thing runs like piss on this XP virtual box though compared to the native xp and vista on my older laptops that died on me sad.gif sad.gif


Not sure how sound works really. Most of the time I play with sound but without music, and just have a video or podcast playing in the background. But that's just me. Music also seems to work fine on my install, but I seem to remember having previous installs with the same sort of issue.

And yeah, feels real in the virtual box thing. DosBox windows emulation is a real finnicky thing, but at this point I'm just used to how it runs. Runs even slower when I'm recording though laugh.gif
I distinctly remember trying to run an XP Virtual box and that was the install I had the most issues with in regards to sound and the like. Plus the performance issues were pretty awful considering the amount of RAM the XP box took up. Still, I figured at the time it was better than no Mordor at all, but that's also probably why I started slowing down when I started having to cast every resistance on my party - spellcasting latency is real, even from buffers.


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post Oct 1 2019, 10:26 AM
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Yeah, mine just generally runs a bit slow. Like, when I enter a room I can see the whole screen redraw, and the music stutters as monsters appear, when I reorder my party it slowly updates resistances up top and character window and stuff, etc.

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post Oct 1 2019, 01:57 PM
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You can help ease the burden of some of this by minimizing the number of things that need to refresh. Changing the party resistance window so it doesn't have to update every time you switch party members is one way of doing this. You could also try playing without the automap diablo.gif
But yeah, sadly the only other way to really improve gameplay is to boost the amount of resources you're feeding to your VirtualBox. Not that Mordor even *needs* that much energy, but your computer is basically trying to run two different OS's at the same time, which ends up leading to certain conflicts.
((on the bright side, you could try and figure out exactly how the virtualbox emulation trick works for dramatically faster combat rounds laugh.gif #SpeedrunStrats))

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post Oct 1 2019, 02:03 PM
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I'm gonna see about getting virtual box and xp and Mordor on my desktop. I love playing Mordor wherever I feel like sitting down, but it's nearly unplayable in my opinion with tbe performance it has atm on my laptop.
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post Oct 1 2019, 04:46 PM
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Woohoo! Virtual box and xp and Mordor run great on my desktop. AND I finally found a NaLanea so I can keep leveling my osiri in seeker without a forfeit (and I added it to the confinement).

Unfortunately one of my other guys got quested for a t'mana in the meanwhile, but oh well, he's already forfeitted and leveling again.

Maybe I'll record a video of me playing Mordor just for the halibut now that I have it on my PC that actually can run obs and is connected to the internet... laugh.gif
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post Oct 1 2019, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE (fischsemmel @ Oct 1 2019, 12:46 PM) *
Unfortunately one of my other guys got quested for a t'mana in the meanwhile, but oh well, he's already forfeitted and leveling again.

I'm trying to figure out why it is possible to be quested for a T'Mana. I've read that you can't be quested for monsters or items higher than level-10, but according to the wiki T'manas are level 11. (I tried to check the Hendersons Mordor Page for a second opinion on the T'Mana level, but it does not appear to be functional.)
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post Oct 1 2019, 08:26 PM
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I got fed up with levels 11-13 and ventured down onto 14. It won't be a regular thing, cause I still don't feel like I have great odds of surviving on 14-15 yet. But it was nice to zip through all the mythical rooms on 14 and check on the shadow of death and spectral dragons.

Then I went onto 15 too. Why not? I checked like 4-5 mythical rooms without seeing any interesting monsters, then I ran into 3 groups of gargantuans! I backed out of the room (barely) a d just had one guy get hit for 350 (of 750ish). Weee. Then I went to fight the lamurian Lord and high priestess+destroyer. Had a close call trying to melee the Lord and his several warrior escorts because of all those electrovutes focusing on my front man, but I then I N'd through thr party to switch to nukes and got through ok. High priestess and destroyer fell easy. I got a lamurian crown and a lightning blade for my efforts, both of which my warriors can start using pretty soon!


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post Oct 2 2019, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE (fischsemmel @ Oct 1 2019, 04:26 PM) *
It won't be a regular thing


... maybe.

I've done 14-15 a few more times. Have seen 5 pariahs now, but still no blessing. Have found a few more awesome items (helm of brilliance, gloves of doom) and making more levels.

I've run into gargantuans twice more and backed out of the room without getting hit each time. Also ran into 6+4 golden eagles and actually killed them since they had a chest.

It takes me under 15 minutes to check 10-13 for giant king, white dragons, MoS, and pariahs, while earning like 1.5 levels for my osiri up front. Then another 12-15 to run all the pariah rooms (and most spectral dragon rooms) on 14, and maybe 5-10 min on 15. It's really nice to have more than 15 minutes worth of stuff to do per respawn when I'm sitting down to play for an extended period!
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post Oct 2 2019, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (fischsemmel @ Oct 2 2019, 07:25 AM) *
I've run into gargantuans twice more and backed out of the room without getting hit each time. Also ran into 6+4 golden eagles and actually killed them since they had a chest.

Treasure is not a good reason to take on Golden Eagles. Even though they are a level 14 monster, they only drop level 7 items.
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post Oct 2 2019, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE (Roland @ Oct 2 2019, 01:47 PM) *
Treasure is not a good reason to take on Golden Eagles. Even though they are a level 14 monster, they only drop level 7 items.


Heh. Odd. I had never actually looked. I just knew silent eagles could drop dragons bloods so figured golden eagles had a least equal level drops!
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post Oct 2 2019, 10:27 PM
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Phew.

I've done runs through 14 and 15 at least 4 times today now. Have run into 7-8 packs of gargantuans and a few groups of golden eagles without incident, faced a bunch of daemon lords without getting aged, etc. Haven't found any more upgrades I don't think, but it's such a great change of pace being able to see some new floors after weeks on 10-13.

My warriors are up in the 270s now, and my seeker around 240. I had my first character hit 400 defense just now, the dwarf warrior/healer (he also has the most hits at nearly 800), with still at least 20-25 more defense to pick up before I hit warrior 324 and add my second extra swing. Then it'll be back to healer and sorcerer levels after a LONG time not improving my casting! While my melee ability is still steadily climbing, I am definitely feeling my nukes lagging behind when I try to blast lamurian warrior or guardian groups, and I drain my spell points pretty quick if I run into more than 2-3 things that need nukes in a trip... dragon king/queen, shadow stings, great whites, vampire lord, etc.

Hmm. My one human needs some more mage levels too. He's got a bunch of spheres and cubes piling up but is only like mage 50 so he can't use any of them yet.

Last comment, I have 4 caps of death now... so I could almost certainly "win" the game within an hour or two more play if I went looking for the big guy. But seeing as I am up to like 120 hours and still death-less, I'm going to do my best to actually finish Asmo off without a death! I have decent chances I think. I'm actually remembering to stay very cautious on 14-15, unlike when on previous playthroughs I've said I was going to do that then I would eventually forget and charge around and get stuck in a gargantuan room and lose party members.

I wonder how my luck is on not getting stoned by anything yet. I've always avoided cockatrices and medusas, done pretty well hitting a buffer to wipe out mythicals that I run into rather than try to leave the room and risk them getting a swing in, etc. But running into gorgons once in a while on 15 now, they usually get an attack in anyways. blink.gif
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post Oct 2 2019, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE (Roland @ Oct 1 2019, 02:37 PM) *
I'm trying to figure out why it is possible to be quested for a T'Mana. I've read that you can't be quested for monsters or items higher than level-10, but according to the wiki T'manas are level 11. (I tried to check the Hendersons Mordor Page for a second opinion on the T'Mana level, but it does not appear to be functional.)


I just got quested for a grey mold, too, a monster from floor 13 according to the wiki!

Edit - ohh, it's one of the bugged monsters that can get assigned even below 10. Dang thing not only is too deep in that respect, but also because it breaks the "guildlevel / 25" rule; I'm not even 280 yet, but 13*25=325.

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post Oct 3 2019, 02:18 PM
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Man, it always seems like as soon as life piles up against me such that I have no time to play, you suddenly rocket ahead laugh.gif
5 Pariahs already? I feel like I need a drawing of your regular route. It sounds a LOT more efficient than anything I've put together. Then again I kind of just get into wanderlust-mode and just start going wherever my fingers take me dntknw.gif

Quest monsters are pretty weird. Grey Mold isn't too rare in the rooms on the isolated north part of 13 (I've run into the stuff more often than not it feels like, though maybe that's because I rarely bother to actually kill it unless it's in a Mythical room).

The balance of leveling, while I still feel is skewed pretty heavily in favor of warrior classes, *does* attempt to have some asymmetric balance. Warrior types pay over twice as much gold and get quested 2-3 times as much, whereas mages just need more raw exp to level. With a properly stocked Confinement and General Store I'd much rather have the extra quests than the flat exp, but it does start to create moments where you just have no choice but to dredge up an entire dungeon floor looking for your quarry. And then you get 5 quests in a row and it throws your entire planned route out the window. blink.gif

Dang though, 4 Caps of Death? Yeah I'm gonna need to start focusing my leveling more on those key rooms in 14 as well as searching 15 through more than just the lake (even though that's great exp and I can clear most fights there with a single EF).

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post Oct 3 2019, 02:44 PM
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I'll do a video later today of my usual run!

.... and here's the video: https://youtu.be/uN7e96UOQ8U


I got some nice upgrades along the way. That cloak WAS a cloak of enchantment! And I found a dragon's blood (I think I have 2 banked now, or maybe 3). And the hand protection was white flame gauntlets. My guys are up to 401, 410, 414, and 419 defense now!

I put the video up on my youtube channel where I've mostly got videos of me playing Project 1999, a classic everquest emulator. I'm curious if any of the folks who follow me on there because they love a quirky, old-ass version of an ancient MMO will also be interested in a quirkly, ancient dungeon crawler.

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